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  Nov 15 WT Study Edition - Appeal to help inactive ones

  by TJ - iAmCleared2Land in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  heard today that the nov 15 issue has two of its four study articles targeted at helping inactive ones.

  get ready for the phone calls to start up.

  has the scans of this been posted yet?.

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  Jeremy C

  This is the only criteria. It does not address whether you are moral, solvent, sick or well, nice to other people, a good family member, a contributor to the community, working a job that helps mankind in some way, or anything else in normal human endeavor.

  Yes, and this is basically how all cults evaluate their members. In cults, there is an employer / employee relationship with a constantly running time clock. Members are either "on the clock", or "off the clock". The whole aim of the organizational operation is PRODUCTION.

  The thrust of true Christianity is the building up of the individual's character - a transformation of their identity. Jesus expounded upon this with his teachings regarding the "salt of the earth", the "Good Samaritan", and his Sermon on the Mount. It was a focus on one's relationship with God; and how that relationship outwardly manifested itself with their dealings with others.

  To the cults, this just isn't good enough.
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  New Photos and Documents of Rutherford-era Watchtower Officials

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thanks for this post leo.

  these photos remind me of the officer roster of the titanic.

  rutherford looks like a tired out ship captain ripe for retirement.

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  Jeremy C

  Thanks for this post Leo. These photos remind me of the officer roster of the Titanic. Rutherford looks like a tired out ship captain ripe for retirement. "Millions now living will never die; full speed ahead!"
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  The Sheer Boring Monotony Of Being A Jehovah's Witness

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what a terrible way of wasting valuable time.

  going to meetings is the biggest scam.

  you get nothing more from going than you would if you read a publication in the comfort of your home.

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  Jeremy C

  The Watchtower has done a masterful job in convincing its members that if they are bored, uninspired, or spiritually unfulfilled; that it is their own individual fault. The Watchtower leadership has effectively removed itself from the realm of scrutiny by painting the organizational treadmill as a "spiritual paradise", with "abundant spiritual food where nothing is lacking". Added to these empty platitudes is the bold claim by the organization that "Jehovah's people are the happiest people on earth". Many of the members have bought into this flim-flam even though this is not their individual experience. They simpley believe that they are personally flawed in some way.

  So with this mindset in place, the individual JW must somehow resolve their cognitive dissonance by either blaming themself for their unhappiness, or find diversions (such as food, alcohol, TV, hobbies) to escape to during their time away from the Kingdom Hall. I cannot tell you how many instances of this behavior I have observed within the organization. This was also the case with myself.

  Many JWs have a dualistic personality whereby the "organizational identity" (or what I refer to as the Watchtower identity) asserts to others and themselves that they are happy, fulfilled, and invigorated by organizationally enforced activities. Their internal identity which observes the discrepencies in the organization tries to assert itself; but is suppressed by the dominating "Watchtower identity". I believe that this is the prime reason why there are so many depressed JWs in the organization. Think about it.
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  Stonehenge was Built only 70 years after Noah's Flood

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7625145.stm.

  flood =2370bc .

  stonhenge built 70 years later.. good going..

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  Jeremy C

  According to many Fundamentalists, Stonehenge was probably constructed by the demons to mislead people into doubting the Bible. Voila! Problem solved!
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  How does Jehovah Kill Us Off?

  by cameo-d in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i figure a lot of people have had their heads stuck in the cloud with images of their paradise---big homes, fancy cars, and all the jewelry left behind by those rich ole wicked people..... but what about the other side of all this?

  have you wondered how jehovahjireh jihad kills us all off?

  it's time to think about that now.

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  Jeremy C

  You know - the one thing that the JWs have been missing out on in their apocalypse is the spectre of some born-again 747 pilot vanishing out of the cockpit and it coming down on some city...

  LOL Yes, I am always amused when I see the bumper sticker which reads "Caution - in event of rapture, this car will be unmanned". If the JWs believed in the rapture, they could create illustrations with empty cars flying off of the freeways and turnpikes; killing innocent bystanders. Cities would look like large bumper car rinks. This could make their artwork so much richer - Jehovah using not only hale stones and lightening; but also using Ford Explorers in executing his judgment.
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  How does Jehovah Kill Us Off?

  by cameo-d in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i figure a lot of people have had their heads stuck in the cloud with images of their paradise---big homes, fancy cars, and all the jewelry left behind by those rich ole wicked people..... but what about the other side of all this?

  have you wondered how jehovahjireh jihad kills us all off?

  it's time to think about that now.

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  Jeremy C

  If you believe the many lurid illustrations the WT has done, then it sort of looks like natural forces out of control - lightning, meteors, crevices opening up under your feet, etc.

  Yes, according to the morbid immaginations of the Watchtower's art department, Armageddon will take on the appearance of a cheesy Hollywood production like "War of the Worlds", "Independence Day", or "The Day After Tomorrow". The Watchtower's artists take great jubilation in presenting the mass slaughter of humankind in all of its colorful detail. While I was a JW, I began to wonder why an omnipotent and all-loving supreme being would have to resort to the weak manipulations of earthly natural causes such as hale, earthquakes, and fire to eliminate life. An omnipotent being could simply "terminate" all life in a nano-second. Therefore, why would this "oh so merciful" and "oh so loving" creator have a need or a desire to resort to such a grandiose and violent theatrical productions? The truth is, when you have disenfranchised religious zealouts marooned on an island and taking hallucinogens; you get sociopathic delusions like the book of Revelation. Such "visions" reveal much more about the writer's psyche than it does about the creative intelligence of the universe. Furthermore, the Watchtower's artwork reveals much more about the disturbed children who run this organization than it does about the God that they claim to represent.
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  WTS PREDICTED THE END OF TODAY'S ECONOMIC SYSTEM!!!!!

  by whereami in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, another "the sky is falling" e-mail going around jw land.

  these guys must salivate with what's going on in the financial markets.

  they can smell blood.. .

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  Jeremy C

  The Watchtower and it's apologists really need to pick up a history book now and then. There have been world events which made the events after 1914 appear as insignificant. I do not have the figures in front of me, but the "Black Death" that swept through Europe had catostrophic consequences in terms of loss of life (killing approx. one half of the European population, I believe). It also had incredibly damaging consequences to trade and commerce as well.

  Even if there were a major market collapse, the consequences would not be nearly as dire as were prevalent in the 1930s. Part of the economic woes were due to the lack of the social safety net implemented later on (Social Security, Medicare, unemployment benefits, etc.) The 1930s also saw the collapse of U.S. agriculture with the "Dust Bowl" that swept through the midwest.

  As regards to the JW's recent apocalyptic anticipations, I think there is something truly pathalogical about a movement who wishes to see mass disaster and human suffering so that their exclusive group can be ushered into their promised utopia. I find it to be borderline sociopathic, in fact.
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  JW's have lost their minds....Fox News

  by tan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not sure if this has already been posted but here's the story.... .

  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,427803,00.html .

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  Jeremy C

  I guess next time there is a catholic killer I can say that All Catholics have lost their minds.

  You make a very good point; and I have noticed that the news media plays the same game. I have noticed that the media in general always takes great care to highlight JW affiliation whenever some kind of crime is committed; even if the perpetrator wasn't a devout Witness. In many cases, the JW affiliation is irrelevant. I say irrelevant because the media never highlights the fact that a perpetrator was a Lutheran, a Baptist, or a Roman Catholic. But let someone who had been associated with the Watchtower get caught for shoplifting, and the JW affiliation becomes an "oh so important" piece of the story. I've certainly got plenty of criticism of the Watchtower, but I also have much criticism for news outlets which draw the JW name into it's news stories for it's attention-getting value.

  I have lost most of my respect for the press in recent years. This news headline (as presented by FOX) is the kind of yellow journalism that I would have expected from the New York Times or MSNBC. But it appears that the "Fair and Balanced" FOX is not above the kind of juvenile attention grabbing when it suits them.
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  Do economic worries make JWs joyful?

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  with the us economy tanking and on the verge of a major collapse if the right steps aren't taken, the average person is probably a little concerned.

  i haven't seen anything like a panic yet, but it has been a source of discussion with collegues and neighbors.

  to be honest, i'm a bit worried.

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  Jeremy C

  What the Jehovah's Witnesses fail to remember is the Scripture where Jesus said that the outbreak of the Great Tribulation would come as a thief in the night. Obviously, a thief in the night does not reveal warning signs that he is outside of the window about to break in. He comes in a manner which no one saw or even heard him coming. But, I suppose this fact is inconvenient to the JWs apocayptic anticipations.

  What JWs also forget to bear in mind is that the Watchtower has repeatedly stated that the Great Tribulation will begin with the destruction of Babylon the Great; which is all of the world's religions. The Watchtower has stated bluntly and unambiguously that this attack on Babylon the Great would be "sudden", and "without warning".

  Jehovah's Witnesses want desparately to believe that all of their sacrifices to the organization were not for nothing. They want to see something tangible which validates their lifetime of toil and allegiance to the Watchtower. They have paid their dues, now they want the "pay out".

  They fail to remember that the Watchtower followers of the 1920s held the same expectations. As they looked around at the horrible depression of the 1930s, and then the outbreak of World War II, they were convinced that their "reward" was imminent. At that time in history, it seemed as if all of the evidence around them was obvious; right?

  Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it. If there is any group that has been such tragic example of repeating the same mistakes of the past; it has been the Watchtower and it's followers. Just like the gambling addict who keeps pulling the lever of the slot machine; Watchtower Witnesses continue to cling to the expectation and anticipation that their worship will be rewarded with utopia.
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  Did you feel euphoric at conventions? Anyone go to Dodger Stadium?

  by BonaFide in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i did for a couple of years.

  i was involved with setting up food stands and night security.

  i really felt like i was contributing and this made me feel great!

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  Jeremy C

  We attended Dodger Stadium conventions for many years - decades, in fact. One of the most tiresome assignments was to serve as an attendant at Dodger Stadium. We were the enforcers of the Society's guidelines on seat saving. Not a fun job folks.

  In an open air stadium, seating is a huge issue, as everyone is clamoring for shade when the doors opened. I am not exagerating when I say that it looked like the starting line of the Boston Marathon when we opened the gates in the morning. Parents would send heir children running in with stacks of Watchtowers to throw on rows of seats. Overweight 60 year old men all of the sudden had the speed of Jesse Owens. I never saw such out of shape middle aged men move so quickly and with so much agility. You could hear the ice cubes shaking loudly in their mini-ice chests as they ran through the concrete halls of the stadium. We would often shout "please, no running brothers and sisters". But to no avail. Sometimes, a sister's heel would break off, and she fall down - with all of her books spilling onto the floor. Wheel chairs were used as battering rams.

  And then, there was the issue of reserving shaded seating for the elderly and infirm. We attendants had to approach young and healthy appearing people and remind them that those seats were for the elderly and infirm. The usual response was that of anger on their part with a long diatribe as to how they were suffering from some obscure and little known "condition" that had about fifteen syllables in its name.

  Ah yes, what a refreshing spiritual banquet that was. I should have just gone to the Billy Graham convention. People rolling onto the floor after being seized by the spirit. And then there are JWs rolling onto the floor when they trip and fall during seat saving. Not much difference.